Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Dr Israr Ahmed On Evolution

Dr Israr Ahmed On Evolution
Dr. Israr Ahmed was maybe the most determining priestly nature in Pakistan in the 1980s - gratitude to his modish TV hint at Al-Huda. Of your own accord, a fan of Maududi, Israr Ahmed separate from Jamaat-e-Islami and formed his own group, Tanzeem-e-Islami. In the spectrum of Ulema conservatism, he is in reality to the mark. Period his tell is afar diminished, he is nonetheless an established priestly nature in Pakistan.

So what does he sustain to say about accepted evolution? As collective, acquaint with is afar disconcert. At topmost, it appears that he seems to be ok with progress. For explainer, he divides the world in vogue a have a high opinion of world and a spiritual world, and allows progress to be the governing throw in the gone. In fact, in his 1996 book, The Picture and Propose of Muhammad's Prophethood, he specifically mentions Darwin by name:

Darwin, too, was not dead on approximate in asserting that human accepted progress which is a fact in respect to the natural rally of the of time or animal part of the be careful. This notion has a infer of 19th century science lecture ("animal part of the be careful"), but this seems to cogitate that he may be ok even with human progress. On the other hand, Dr. Israr Ahmed furthermore addressed the pasture in considerably high-class fixation in a 2004 group on Everyday Unusual and 2 forms of Knowledge as part of televised Act of violence Picture with Dr. Israr Ahmed. It is voguish that his disconcert becomes understandable. In the beginning, he appears to give explicit file to the hobbyhorse of evolution:

Our animal position includes life - and it has come from the pottery and the peel of the Burrow for the period of a very aspiration, very aspiration, very aspiration throw of progress. But our spirits, human spirits, are not from pottery or sand.In fact, he goes as far as to face human evolution:

From the message of water and pottery started the life on this planet. From a highest itinerant to the most evolved Homo sapiens. It potential sustain busy millions of sparkle...but next Allah...designated one Homo sapiens and blew in vogue him the spirit...Now we sustain a human interior.

Here is the video of this part of his group (yes, for your user-friendliness, it is in English). Squeezing out for progress comments on all sides of 10 account in vogue the video and to be exact about human progress at on all sides of 24:00:

Occupied these statements together, they bell to authorize an Islamic checking account of theistic evolution: God worked for the period of the throw of progress to sort the variety we seen on Burrow and a "spirit" is injected by Allah in vogue a hominid kind and that makes it a human and a conscious interior. On the other hand, at the end of the group being asked to be exact about natural selection as the throw of progress, Israr Ahmed rejects it excruciatingly and endorses a view that is closer to the special inauguration of total species:

I do daydream in progress but not in Darwinian progress. Movement is no matter which very and the mode for the period of which it has busy place is no matter which very. The run for position, and the survival of the fittest, and natural selection - this is approximate. At every change of kind, we poverty marginal "kun" from God. The luggage compartment notion brings him closer to the high-class traditional creationism: God on a case by case basis created all kind. By the same token, his stated objections to progress, such as "it is unattached a presumption, shape to sustain been on loan from creationist literature as well. His principal worry, though, is concurrent to the beginning of courtesy. According to Israr Ahmed, Muslims impose sanctions Darwinian progress when of its underline truthful on the animal interior - for that reason losing any double bed for courtesy. Hey - he didn't check out the working out by Frans de Waal on the cognitive continuum amongst natural world and humans.

Here is the video of the Q&A group (the back number about natural selection comes at 1:31):

Really, some of the questions bell to be somewhat passable. But his answers generally base disconcert. And next acquaint with is a significant swap about science & religion towards the end (on all sides of 42:50). Ian Markham from the Hartford Institution was pliable him a hushed drop by crediting religion for the swell of science (the scavenge for order in fabrication, etc). But Dr. Israr rejects this hobbyhorse and next goes on to make rash assertions about Europe's historically anti-science standard - support the classic make an effort tract amongst science & religion. Here it seems that the people asking questions are lock with delayed science & religion debates in the West and they are thorny to get a consistent remain standing from religions, period, Dr. Israr is looking at it from Islam vs the West prism. For him, Muslims transferred the numerical knowledge to Europe and next Europe screwed up with its anti-science standard (he distinctively mentions the papal arbitrator). A few account later he takes the remain standing that science and religion be there side-by-side - and acquaint with is no make an effort (i.e. non-overlapping magisteria). But next, why did he impose sanctions natural selection in the topmost place?

Aaah....my essential is gyrating from so tons erratic statements within the actual group. On the other hand, this ascetically is the power of speech of lecture done progress in the middle of most undercurrent Muslim scholars. They sustain not really precise a serious care to the susceptible - and all we get are responses based on modish misconceptions about the presumption.

Also see:


Ghamidi on Islam and progress

The progress of Harun Yahya's "Record of Convention"


Zakir Naik's rant against progress

Yusuf Estes' stupidity and joyfulness combo about progress

Maududi on progress

"Islamtoday" on progress