Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Peter Lombard Vs John Of Damascus Round 2 Predestination

Peter Lombard Vs John Of Damascus Round 2 Predestination
Now, I found a take in where the Master of Sentences is better than the Damascene: the belief of predestination.

Continue that 90% of Peter's Patristic quotations are from Augustine. So, upper or less, he takes aloof Augustine's place on predestination as well as other pertinent. For Peter, current is a slenderness involving predestination and foreknowledge. Augustine talked a minute bit about this, but a large amount this slenderness was upper strongly disposed by his adherent Proliferate of Acquitaine. Prosper's place was that God single foreknew folks who were leave-taking to be damned by their own efforts, though he devotedly inevitable the redeemed. This is moreover Peter's place and Aquinas' moreover, on the other hand Aquinas is a bit upper hardcore in contemplation that God really, really does famine identifiable category to be damned.

Now, this isn't from a biblical Lutheran slope the unadulterated best place one can call, seeing that current is no defense of God's persuasive view that all be saved, even if for whatever deem he chooses not to predestine everyone (for some deem). Conversely, it's better than John's view, which is that predestination is single foreknowledge of who request use their free request to look toward God's acquiesce of redemption.

For the record part this was the Patristic place prior to Augustine. In the west, it was moreover a visit opening just the once John Cassian's Institutes, which poplularized semi-Pelagianism and moreover monasticism. In fact, if you read Anselm's book about predestination, that's strange knowingly his place as well. It moreover didn't help that some of Pelagius' books floated cycle under the name of Jerome.

Two indispensable factors function voguish the weakness of eastern theology on this smudge. Principal, is the early Patristic effort with Gnosticism and when Manichean dualism. In any systems, brew and everyday job are denigrated. As a consequence they had a deep resolve to this and countered it with a strong diligence of everyday free request and the abjuration of the belief of predestination. The meticulous mechanism was the lack of a Pelagian argue in the east, which led to not knowingly contemplation on the organization.

If you articulate with EO category they call all kinds of civilized thinking about the divine Trinity, attributes, and the Combination, but generally very minute to say about everyday sin. To this day this is a relatively banefully little aspect of EO theology. I memorialize speech in class with an EO adherent to the same extent I was in my doctoral broadcast and I outlined their view of free request to her- saying I didn't rectangle with the eastern view. She was more exactly confounded and assumed "oh, I didn't fill current was a cash involving us and the west- so what's the western view of free request and predestination?" The classroom erupted voguish laugher. Of course we weren't denigrating her (she didn't declare it that way either), reasonably it was humorous the same as it was a such a strong smudge of argue.

Of course, the truth that predestination is single foreknowledge is not very neat. Principal, even if current weren't a ton of biblical statements that clearly teach predestination, there's the hitch of logic. So, if it's all about your free request, why doesn't God give everyone the fantastically opportunities to regulation it? The ancient Jews yes- the ancient Aztecs not so knowingly. Secondly, how is it possible for God to frankly reflexively foreknow a thing in the in the early hours place? In other words, if God is the antecedent prompt of every prompt and the determiner of time, how may well he cleanly reflexively know everything that he had no contributory overtone to?

This last smudge is a hitch for folks who turn down dual predestination- I being one of them. How is it the torso that God doesn't prompt the sin of sinners, to the same extent he is their antecedent cause?

The truth is: who knows. Scripture is fairly beefy that God is not the prompt of sin, he in words of one syllable foreknows it. How this can be the torso, is higher than our realization. We must frankly faith that this is the torso.